Susan wrote: fervent wrote:2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all [men], as theirs also was.
I need help here...this seems so contrary to my understanding...who is being referred to? Christians who are outside the envelope? The world?
It must involve folks who are looking into spiritual things..." Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away..."
But how could you have a form of goldliness and do all of this?
"covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;"
Either way, why are we to turn away from them? I wonder if we are talking about the likes of people who would post on newsgroups like alt.flame.jesus christ or the like? I know there are people who seem to be unreachable at any cost...but what if it is me? Can I learn and never arrive at truth? I often wonder why it is so hard to get truth and get real before God rather than live in a box of godly self appraisal...I know we all have issues...
I have a spirit of fear this morning...
Fervent, there are plenty of pew sitter's who go through the motions of being a Christian, but are not saved by GRACE. In other words, they have one foot on the BIBLE and the other in the worldly deeds and wants...they put on a mask to us, but the LORD knows their heart.
It is a heart condition, too. Just think of it as a heart that is only partly functioning. It may look healthy, but there is an underlying problem.
There are plenty of other religions out there that are "godly people" for thier false gods...and show the likeness of being good, loving etc...but they have never come to accept JESUS as their Personal SAVIOR.
Then you have the general unsaved poulation that just wants to live for the moment, and not caring about the eternal conditions in which they will ultimately live...
It is a fearful thing, for those who are not SAVED by GRACE. You have nothing to fear, but the LORD...and you are HIS CHILD.
The BIBLE tells us that in the last days the world will be like the Days of Noah. I think that the verses you quoted give us a pretty clear picture of the days in which Noah lived, and even clearer picture of today's world.
"My Children, Believe ME With All Your Hearts when I say; I will be exalted among the nations. I will be exalted among the peoples. It is good if you believe it, better if you do it. There are so many believers yet so few 'doers' among you. And what, MY children, am I speaking of? My word. Not part....all.. You like MY "Beholds", but not My "woes.'' Why? Little children have many likes and dislikes that originate in the child's judgment. Do you really trust that Eternity is balanced on your childish ways? Then you must seek My ways and not your own.
Put aside your pet interpretations of reality. Your philosophies, theologies and theories created to separate yourselves from your brothers and sisters. Put them aside and seek out My ways and My wisdom. And within the totality of My word is all wisdom. Within the Fullness of My Son, My Spirit has breathed all into you. All has been given to you if you choose that which is truth. Are you that much unlike Solomon? He built My Temple out of the treasures his father David had stored. He followed the plans and stayed true to the blueprint he was given. But he also built his own palace and a palace for one of his wives, Pharaoh's daughter. He also burned incense on the high places.
It was not because of his 'righteousness' that I spoke to him in the "night season". It was because of My covenant promises to My servant, his father David. I called out to him and he answered Me. And when I offered to give him his heart's desire he chose service to Me by choosing My Kingdom and My people first. So by seeking My Kingdom first I gave him power, wealth , and wisdom. But he did not repent so wisdom served him little
Are you any different? Is there not One in whom a much greater covenant is established? Was there a more faithful servant or obedient Son than My only begotten, My lamb who was without spot or stain? You ask for Wealth, Power, and Wisdom all the time; but did you choose My Kingdom over everything else? Did My Son not show you My way and example My Kingdom for you? Did He not teach you; "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness..."I know you have, My children... but haven't you figured out that there is a profound difference between 'saying it' and 'seeking it'.
But you still expect the 'desires of your heart.' That is what you have been taught over and over, isn't it? So what is wrong? Are you standing on the truth, My word? Or are you standing on something else and do not know it yet. Something less.....When I show you the truth, will you receive it? When I speak of great and mighty things that are to come; will you believe them? My desire toward you has been always for good and not evil. My desire is that none should perish, but it has always been up to you to decide. I have given you all, and I continue to send My servants to remind you of what I have said. For There Is Nothing new under the sun. Just misplaced, ignored, or buried. To your fathers I have spoken in "DARK SAYINGS"
My Son taught in parables, and My Spirit in prophecies, dreams, and visions. You were given great wealth and a profound blueprint to build, with nothing being hidden from those who seek My righteousness. You look for My voice when you should be listening. Still you want to "see," to be entertained by"signs and wonders." So when they say they got "it" over there....you go out to the desert to see. Then when you hear 'rumors' about the upper room you hurry there.
You are blown about by every breeze of the supernatural. How would you know even if it was Me, if you won't listen? So many things deceive you.I am a God that can speak out of the whirlwind. I am a God that can speak out of the fire. I can speak to you from the mountaintop or from the deepest pit that you have fallen into. I am your God and you must have no other. How I choose to speak to you is mine to choose. Children, I choose to speak to you in that still...sweet ...voice that Elijah heard. The voice that My servants have always listened to. For you see, the servants that please Me are those who have set their hearts on Me, and in so doing have found their righteousness. And their spirits called out to me in steadfast obedience in the face of death. It is written..."As deep calleth unto deep.' The river grows continually deeper as it grows wider. To seek Me is to go out into the deepest waters and cast yourselves into Me. The deeper you enter Me the darker and colder the waters get.
But you say "darker "colder"...that can't be God ! That is because you have limited Me in your eyes and cut yourself off from Me. That is why I call out to you now. If you will not learn of Me then learn from your mistakes. Accept the fact that there are things wrong in your life. That I offer much more than what you have settled for. Trust not your emotions and lean not on your own wisdom and understanding. Be still and listen! So much of what you have received is not My whole council! Too many of you miss the obvious.
And yet many of you who have raised a question to those who have taken charge for you, and have been "beaten down.' They have told you "never question God" and defend themselves with the words, "Touch not the LORD'S anointed." Really? Were not all My servants touched? Beaten, chained, mocked, spat upon, and murdered? Where is their truth? their anointing? Did not My Son say to let the children come unto Me ?Again I say...Let My children come to Me. Bring Me your questions, your pains, your burdens your fears, and I will be your Father! I will not turn away any who set their hearts on Me!. Look for Me in the Word! Look for Me in your closets! Call out to Me and I will hear you and answer you!"
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